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    Insane Viking Pack Pre-Order Now Available

    Howdy Folks!

    It is a big day for The Banner Saga with our pre-order going live today. We couldn't have made it this far without you. To help continue this saga, make sure to let your friends and family know they can take advantage of 20% off the price if they pre-order the game and they also get the Insane Viking Pack!

    **NOTE** KS Backers get the Insane Viking Pack automatically!

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    Congratulations, just saw it on Steam =)
    Finally its there!

    When and how will steam keys beeing sent out or be made acessible to KS Backers?

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    Hooray, preorders are finally here! Is there a way to order directly from Stoic? If not, which vendor is best in terms of how much of the purchase price makes it to the devs and also in terms of not having DRM?

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    I have been very enthusiastic about this game since i found out about Factions almost a year back, since then, i've been supporting it in any ways i can, financially(bought a signed poster a wile back) , i have recommended it to all my friends, liked all the youtube videos and subscribed to the chanel, liked all the pictures on facebook and shared the announcements, even opened a few threads in the forum about how to improve Factions....

    With the previous in mind, i cant really say that i like what this announcement shows and offers. On the contrary, this is a bit of a deal-breaker for me, mainly because of 2 points:

    1st - no GoG.com as purchase method( no DRM free neither i might ask? )

    2nd, pre-order exclusive in-game content (this goes against my principles and it's the one thing i have been most critic about in other games, that together with all the worthless DLCs we see nowdays.

    I really don't know what to say, but the words "happy" or "exited" does not cross my mind right now...

    EDIT: Seems i was wrong about the 1st point, since GoG was missing on the pre-order link, i assumed it would not be avanible there, but it is listed on the video description, so i guess it will after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow View Post
    I have been very enthusiastic about this game since i found out about Factions almost a year back, since then, i've been supporting it in any ways i can, financially(bought a signed poster a wile back) , i have recommended it to all my friends, liked all the youtube videos and subscribed to the chanel, liked all the pictures on facebook and shared the announcements, even opened a few threads in the forum about how to improve Factions....

    With the previous in mind, i cant really say that i like what this renouncement shows and offers. On the contrary, this is a bit of a deal-breaker for me, mainly because of 2 points:

    1st - no GoG.com as purchase method( no DRM free neither i might ask? )

    2nd, pre-order exclusive in-game content (this goes against my principles and it's the one thing i have been most critic about in other games, that together with all the worthless DLCs we see nowdays.

    I really don't know what to say, but the words "happy" or "exited" does not cross my mind right now...
    1st. It will be sold on gog.com, gamefly, gamestop and gamers gate (and steam).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIGKnL9RPI
    In the text.

    2nd. Do agree with that comment highly (regarding the in game content), it feels like an unnecessary banana, person could be travelling around the world for a month and would lose a part of the game just because of a preorder. But I am indeed in love with Banner saga faction, so I will give them that break. Truth is though it just feels a bit sleazy and in this day and age where everything is scrutinised that doesnt help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hreinnbeno View Post
    1st. It will be sold on gog.com, gamefly, gamestop and gamers gate (and steam).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zIGKnL9RPI
    In the text.
    Ok, i missed that on the description of the video, my comment was based on that "GoG.com" is/was not visible when you click on pre-order , there only "Steam", "Gamefly Digital" and "GameStop" are shown. Thanks for the info!
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    Based on the way I read how they've worded things, it's the "Insane Viking Pack" that is exclusive to preorders and possibly not the in-game character. The video says Tryggvi is an "exclusive character," but I'm not sure that actually means he's exclusive to preorders. Maybe it does, but I hope that he will be available as DLC for those who don't preorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow View Post
    ...pre-order exclusive in-game content...
    ...No more! If you are up to a tiny bit of modding -- https://stoicstudio.com/forum/showthr...Unlock-Tryggvi Enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleonymous View Post
    ...No more! If you are up to a tiny bit of modding -- https://stoicstudio.com/forum/showthr...Unlock-Tryggvi Enjoy
    Thanks a lot!

    It should have been done officially tho!
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    Can't wait for thiss!!!! ^_^

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    It's just 1 character (out of 20-25), I'll check into if he'll be dlc available after pre order period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raven2134 View Post
    It's just 1 character (out of 20-25), I'll check into if he'll be dlc available after pre order period.
    I know its only 1, but still its not just an hollow character, its comes with its own background story, its own dialog lines, and so on.... I really dont see the need of offering in-game content as pre-order exclusive, when there is so much else that could be offered in stead; key rings, maps, artwork, soundtrack(this was included) making off videos and so on... Look at how CDPR deals with its games(Witcher 1 and 2) adn while one can argue that CDPR is a big studio(not really) with lots of money(spend tons of it as well to make those games) lets not forget that The Banner Saga was founded mainly by kickstarter, so the economy issue should not be used as scuse....

    Characters offered as pre-order exclusive or even as paid DLC later on just reminds me too much of the way Bioware went about with both Mass Effect franchise and Dragon Age franchise, selling you the game by pieces....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yellow View Post
    I know its only 1, but still its not just an hollow character, its comes with its own background story, its own dialog lines, and so on.... I really dont see the need of offering in-game content as pre-order exclusive, when there is so much else that could be offered in stead; key rings, maps, artwork, soundtrack(this was included) making off videos and so on...
    Hello Yellow (nice rhyme, btw ). I don't really mind the pre-order thing; I actually "like" it being a little cheaper or coming with a small bonus-gift. Now, about the Day1 DLC, I can't say I'm extremely excited either; I agree that those other offerings (not in-game content) you mention are much better suited. On the other hand, I don't think this character (Tryggvi) is really essential in the story, nor is he indispensable to win the game or enjoy it.

    Unfortunately, like it or not, it's a free market out there so they can do whatever they like. And we are left with the option (?) -- buy it or not. Usually, I don't play/buy games right when they launch; I just wait some months for prizes to drop or bundles (including all DLCs) to come out. However, this game I really like and I also have confidence that StoicStudio is not some money-greedy enterprise, so I can excuse them these small slights
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    The Banner Saga is the full game, that has always been the intent.

    I think it's more bad practice that has tainted the idea of DLCs, when a developer/studio/publisher purposely or intentionally breaks apart something we can consider a whole product, just to sell it piece-meal to make more money.

    There is a flipside to this though, which is the opposite. A studio/developer/publisher can give you a full game, and similar to an expansion but in smaller scale, DLCs may also act as a viable model for providing really significant additional content that could not or would not make it in the initial game release.

    Truly, there are justified reasons why many frown upon the prior practice of DLCs (I remember Capcom pulled that crap with one of its games). However, I think it's also fair we really evaluate what the actual situation and context is. I'm sure many fans and players would be happy if a studio/developer/publisher could give them more quality content for one of their favorite games, even after it's been released.

    I think the bonus character and pre-order package, like the myriad of privileges laid out for backers, follow a similar spirit. They simply want to show an extra sign of appreciation for people that support the game early. Stoic has always been largely inclusive in it's endeavors with the community, and I think this is just another extension of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raven2134 View Post
    I'm sure many fans and players would be happy if a studio/developer/publisher could give them more quality content for one of their favorite games, even after it's been released.
    Since I am one of those fans -- is there, at this point, any intent for more "quality content" for Saga#1 game (paid DLC or free update/patch etc)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raven2134 View Post

    I think the bonus character and pre-order package, like the myriad of privileges laid out for backers, follow a similar spirit. They simply want to show an extra sign of appreciation for people that support the game early. Stoic has always been largely inclusive in it's endeavors with the community, and I think this is just another extension of that.
    I don't have anything against the little extra for backers or for pre-orders, its just that in my opinions there are other stuff that could be offered as that little extra, stuff that do not take away from the game, so that those who don't get it, don't feel they are getting a 99% completed game in stead of a 100%, because that is how i am feeling right now.. and i know that was not the intention, am sure the idea was for those who pre-order getting a 101% product, and those who don't a 100% but sadly from my point of view, am hardly getting a 99% if i don't pre-order...

    In other words i don't have an issue with What is done, but with How it is done, no matter how un-important that character is, it was done before game release, it has a background story, it has dialog and so on, its not just a hollow character is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raven2134 View Post
    I think it's more bad practice that has tainted the idea of DLCs, when a developer/studio/publisher purposely or intentionally breaks apart something we can consider a whole product, just to sell it piece-meal to make more money.

    There is a flipside to this though, which is the opposite. A studio/developer/publisher can give you a full game, and similar to an expansion but in smaller scale, DLCs may also act as a viable model for providing really significant additional content that could not or would not make it in the initial game release.
    Having read the whole thread, still feel the need to comment on this. Maybe I'm old school in the grognard line so my apologies. But if you are deviating resources (people, time & money) to create extra content, before the release of the game, that won't be accesible to all the buyers on release day... sorry, but that is the first paragraph of the quote. Even if you are developing such character after having done the rest of the game (100% of it!!!), release date is still far away (unfortunately for us!). Burning disks wit the game? Considering the reliance in patches these days (ergo internet), the extra content could go in the patch as well holding hands with the bug fixes or improvements.

    Maybe I'm weird but a discount in price would be an enough incentive to preorder (prepurchase). Having some extra tracks, wallpapers and such, would be good too. Extra playable content (which in this thread has been basically defined as unimportant) being offered before relase (or day 1 DLC) means that you are not offering people the full game. People who doesn't preorder doesn't get that content on release day despite you have been working on it before release (or get it paying extra if you later offer it as DLC).

    Digital way means things like not being able to offer boxes, cloth maps and other non digital traditional preordering (prepurchasing) bonuses. Despite that and many people trying to sell us that DLC content for preorder(prepurchase) and day 1 are ok, they are not. Things change but not all the changes are always good (now everything is Early Access, buggy releases are expected, needing multiple patches to make some games playable is not unheard of...). In defense of Stoic, at least the DLC character is not important which is far better than the "super duper weapons" DLCs of some games and stuff.

    Don't get me wrong, I just wish that everybody could get everything (in game content) on release without "pacts". Once the game is out and some time has passed, everything is fine in the line of expansions/DLCs. I still remember how annoying it was the Colour preorder bonuses for Dawn of War 2.

    Sorry for the rant. Not trying to change anyone's mind.

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    I've no idea about future DLCs.

    Stoic is releasing The Banner Saga, Chapter 1, as a full game. At this point.

    I don't know if it counts as a spoiler, but to assure you I suppose...based on my playtesting of the game, Tryggvi's only relevance is in battle. He has not come into any other part of the game besides you meeting him, and then you using him if you want to for battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raven2134 View Post
    I've no idea about future DLCs.

    Stoic is releasing The Banner Saga, Chapter 1, as a full game. At this point.

    I don't know if it counts as a spoiler, but to assure you I suppose...based on my playtesting of the game, Tryggvi's only relevance is in battle. He has not come into any other part of the game besides you meeting him, and then you using him if you want to for battle.
    But that is really the thing though. They are trying to use Tryggvi to make you buy it in pre order, while you know like Aleo said that he wouldnt be part of the pre order if he was indispensable or even necessary at all. So it really makes it unnecessary and the deal would only cause scrutiny rather than increased pre order.

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    I duno, I think people are scrutinizing or fussing too much. So Stoic didn't make him available to everyone. I don't see how this is so far different from the KS. KS tiers were at 10 and 25. At 10 you got a copy of the game. At 25 you got the artbook and the OST as well. Now if you pre-order you don't get as much stuff as the KS backers, but we still want to thank you so here's Tryggvi and 3 tracks. It's pretty much Stoic going, thank you for supporting us early. At the same time, they don't want to alienate players that buy the game after release.

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