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    I'm so glad I stumpled upon this thread! I'm in agreement with so many of you: I can't wait to find out more about the Varl (among so many items of Banner Saga lore)... It's great to see people being as fascinated about this game and it's rich background as I am.

    Thanks Slimsy Platypus for sharing the link for the Horseborn concept art. This was a great new insight!

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    During dialogue before Ridgehorn, You (playing as Hakon) can choose to go straight to the capitol only to discover Your tongue twisting and actually saying Ridgehorn.

    Like others already pointed out it looks like menders (Juno?) were summoning help this way.

    It happens again sometime before the final battle - Hakon's team recovers Juno for the second time and escorts her to Rook and others instead of following Varl king's orders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson Rosenberg View Post
    9. "Rook killing Bellower" - It can also be Alette depending on your choices, what Juno said about Rook is related to taking him with her to the God Stone in order to get the shards, she said he looks "quick" and "able" and she knows that even if things go wrong and she dies he will do anything in order to see his daughter again and get back to her. Basically saying, if she is killed at the god stone he wouldn't die fighting or runaway, he would take the shards back to Boesgard because Alette is there.
    That's what I thought too, but is it all? Many of the party members would certainly get the job done even if Juno fell. And Juno is prone to speaking in riddles. Can we really take what she says literally is the questions =)
    I'm not even through catching up with this thread, but holy crap I just thought of something.

    What if she didn't mean coming back from the godstone? What if she was implying coming back from the dead? I know it's a bit of a stretch but it does seem fittingly mythological.

    ...It almost makes me wish he had died in my game, instead of Alette.

    Speaking of which, do we know if the specs of the last game played are going to hold over to the sequel? Because if so, my boyfriend and I are probably going to end up fighting over who gets to replay the first game trying to replicate our decisions before going into the second... my only real complaint was that we couldn't both have our own save states and had to play one after the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanegilliam View Post
    I'm not even through catching up with this thread, but holy crap I just thought of something.

    What if she didn't mean coming back from the godstone? What if she was implying coming back from the dead? I know it's a bit of a stretch but it does seem fittingly mythological.

    ...It almost makes me wish he had died in my game, instead of Alette.

    Speaking of which, do we know if the specs of the last game played are going to hold over to the sequel? Because if so, my boyfriend and I are probably going to end up fighting over who gets to replay the first game trying to replicate our decisions before going into the second... my only real complaint was that we couldn't both have our own save states and had to play one after the other.
    Really like this theory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson Rosenberg View Post
    That is a very good theory EmblaWinterblade. I was also very puzzled by the moon at the end but I have my doubts that place was the darkness that is approaching. It looked more outerwordly than that. =)
    Thank you
    The purple place make me puzzled to, but i have a hope that it is the afterlife, where the gods are, and that Ghost-Alette can help us from there by reviving gods or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanegilliam View Post
    What if she didn't mean coming back from the godstone? What if she was implying coming back from the dead? I know it's a bit of a stretch but it does seem fittingly mythological.
    Yes, interesting theory! Juno seems to have no problems with coming back herself... So, perhaps it wasn't such a bitter ending after all?
    Together we stand, divided we fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanegilliam View Post
    I'm not even through catching up with this thread, but holy crap I just thought of something.

    What if she didn't mean coming back from the godstone? What if she was implying coming back from the dead? I know it's a bit of a stretch but it does seem fittingly mythological.

    ...It almost makes me wish he had died in my game, instead of Alette.

    Speaking of which, do we know if the specs of the last game played are going to hold over to the sequel? Because if so, my boyfriend and I are probably going to end up fighting over who gets to replay the first game trying to replicate our decisions before going into the second... my only real complaint was that we couldn't both have our own save states and had to play one after the other.
    Great catch lanegilliam. If you take a closer look at the list you will see that I already gave it a nod

    "- Why was Rook choosen to kill Bellower? According to Juno he was the only one who had a reason and would always "come back" (from the dead?) for his daughter."

    I would like to known the differences in the end if Alette dies. Does Rook goes into hiding too? Does he change like Alette?
    Last edited by Nelson Rosenberg; 01-24-2014 at 10:45 AM.

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    On another note, did all of you guys let Alette take the shot? What terrible fathers! =P
    Last edited by Nelson Rosenberg; 01-24-2014 at 11:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelson Rosenberg View Post
    did all of you guys let Alette take the shot? What terrible fathers!
    Haha, I was wondering when this would be brought up, indeed. When she told me "Can I take the shot, daddy, please?" I wanted to tell her "Get outta here!"
    Together we stand, divided we fall.

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    Frost girl? How did I miss the Frost girl?
    Oh well, time for another playthrough!

    I must say I really like the notion that the menders are subtly "guiding" all these protagonists together for some kind of last stand. I had missed some of these... tongue-twisting dialogue options, so I'm glad for threads like these!

    My question is: if Bellower hates Iver so much for killing his Sundr lady-friend, then why does he not finish him off? He runs away after the appearance of the mender, does that mean that:
    a) the mender is a real baddass and Bellower is scared of him (but then why do we need a silver arrow?)
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    b) there is another reason that Bellower spared Iver. Maybe the same reason he was chasing the caravan in the latter chapters. What is he really after?

    Also, what did Egil do to the gods in a past life that made them curse him with the worst luck since Oedipus? THAT's what I want to know.
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    Bello run from the bridge after the appearance of the huge, world-ending, mountain-shattering, oddly well-mannered snake, not the mender.

    Seeing as how dredge value their own stoneshapers, they must know and recognize the power of a mender, then again Bello is like a dredge honeybadger - he just doesn't care. Huge, world-ending, mountain-shattering, oddly well-mannered snakes are however a different case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rensei View Post
    Bello run from the bridge after the appearance of the huge, world-ending, mountain-shattering, oddly well-mannered snake, not the mender.
    Ah, yes! You are correct, forgot about that tiny detail. Tiny, world-ending detail.

    I laughed at the dredge honeybadger comment...
    "Zapped by lightning from the sky? Bellower doesn't give a sh*t! Armour comes right back up, he doesn't care!"

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    That would be an interesting explanation for the ending. It would be cool to see the place with the moon and the trees and actually have an adventure there with Rook or Alette, depending on who dies in the Bellower fight. From a real-life mythological point of view, it would be perfectly acceptable to have such an afterlife experience. We have plenty of mythological examples of heroes who journeyed into some realm of the dead, did something important there, and then returned to the world of the living. Coming back to life is not unheard of either.

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    I've just had a massive revelation about the ending!

    I played through the last bit again to see how it would pan out with Rook dying instead of Alette (probably what is meant to happen story-wise) and realised that the crescent shape isn't the moon at all. It's an eclipse! That perfectly explains the darkness falling over the land.

    It also occurred to me that Rook/Alette cross through the darkness in their burial boat to arrive at some sort of spirit world(?), which could be a bit of a hint about what is coming for everyone after the darkness passes... death. Who knows lol
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    Here's my rendering of the final scene (currently features as my desktop background), minus some Purple Haze in the bottom, for the sake of conversation and reference.

    Together we stand, divided we fall.

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    Darkness? What darkness?

    The sun has STOPPED. While visible. It is still visible. They can tell because they can see it up there not moving.

    "Several days ago the sun simply came to a stop in the sky."
    On the very first day Ubin is waking up at dawn - at least he hopes its dawn, hard to tell with the sun not moving.

    At least that's how I understood it...

    The eclipse/moon is happening in the netherworld, where the silver arrow bearer went (and from where we will save them because that's a cool thing to do).
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    Hmm... Well there is darkness creeping across the world too - is that not what the dredge are running from? I guess I'll have to replay the game to pick up on those little details I obviously missed first time round. (Still looks like an eclipse to me lol)

    Thanks for posting the final scene up Aleonymous
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    That scene is so beautiful! Thanks for posting it.

    I'd love to explore that world in the sequel. I hope we've guessed the plot correctly!

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    hmm just guessing but if the "sun stopped in the sky" that would mean that particular earth stopped rotating. and that would certainly cause all kind of disasters worldwide, huge earthquakes the kind of that can create the open cracks in the land Hakon tells Rook he has seen on his way to Boersgard.

    because if i understand it properly dredge are underground creatures, they could be pouring out of cracks in the land escaping disasters that render their subterranean kingdom a hell ( if it already wasn't one in the first place ). perhaps it started a while ago, could the dissapearance of the Frostveller lake be related ?

    of course all this would be irrelevant if this fantasy world is actually a flat patch of leather or stands on the top of a turtle. but you know, the low-fantasy setting calls for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurydice View Post
    Also, what did Egil do to the gods in a past life that made them curse him with the worst luck since Oedipus? THAT's what I want to know.
    Hahaha, maybe he is a God in human form, but suffered from amnesia, and his destiny is to die so he can rise again and save humanity from the darkness! (ok, probably not...)

    Another thing that I just noticed (playing bits during some down time) when with Juno, the serpent says "The gods are silent and before me stands one who knows not what they have done", Guess this is a bit of a clue onto the Gods probably not being dead, maybe they just fell asleep?

    The egg white that has become dark? the sky (sun being the yolk?)

    And yes, the biggest mistery is the Dark place at the end of the game! GIVE ME ANSWERS STOIC!!!!
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